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Old 11-01-2020, 08:26 PM
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Tim and Bob found this old film in the farm house roof, here are the photos,







it's said to be


Jim the Penman (1921 film)

Directed by Kenneth Webb
Produced by Whitman Bennett
Written by Dorothy Farnum (scenario)
Based on Jim the Penman (play)
by Charles Lawrence Young
Starring Lionel Barrymore
Cinematography Tom L. Griffith
Harry Stradling
Distributed by Associated First National (*later First National Pictures)
Release date April 1921
Running time 6 reels (6,100 feet)
Country United States
Language Silent (English intertitles)

Jim the Penman is a 1921 American silent crime drama film produced by Whitman Bennett and distributed through Associated First National, later just First National Pictures. It is based on a well known play, Jim the Penman by Charles Lawrence Young about a forger in Victorian Britain. The film stars Lionel Barrymore and was directed by Kenneth Webb, the duo having worked on The Great Adventure previously.

Jim the Penman is preserved though incomplete (reel 5 missing) at the Library of Congress.

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As described in a film publication summary, James "Jim" Ralston (Barrymore) is a forger who is in love with Nina (Rankin). His first attempt at forgery is upon a dance program, and he forges Nina's name for the last waltz. He offers to save Nina's father from ruin by forging a check. He is discovered by the owner of the check, but instead of turning him in, Baron Hartfeld (Randolf) forces Jim to work for him for the next twenty years. Nina is engaged to Louis Percival (MacPherson), but through notes forged by Jim they become estranged. Nina ends up marrying James although she does not love him. As the twenty-year period closes, Jim's daughter Louise is about to marry the son of an English banker that Jim is about to ruin. Just in time Percival, whom Jim has previously ruined, and Nina discover the forgery that separated them. Jim, realizing that he is trapped, ends it all by sinking a yacht after locking himself and his companions in the cabin.
Cast
Lionel Barrymore as James Ralston
Ned Burton as Enoch Bronson
Charles Coghlan as Captain Redwood
James Laffey as E. J. Smith
Gladys Leslie as Agnes Ralston
Douglas MacPherson as Louis Percival
Anders Randolf as Baron Hartfeld
Arthur Rankin as Lord Drelincourt
Doris Rankin as Nina Bronson

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Old 11-01-2020, 11:22 PM
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very interesting holly what condition is it in? most old films are nitro cellulose (similar to gun cotton) and unstable it has been know to catch fire and explode.

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Old 11-01-2020, 11:39 PM
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Yes not the best place for it really, Timbo said some do freeze them and keep in low temp, but it is dry there and well vented, so may that's why it was there?

Must have been there many years, Timbo said is in very good condition.
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Old 12-01-2020, 02:51 PM
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yes a great find , but as CG says if its old nitro stock it could be fun

this is why cinema projectors have top & bottom spool box's with doors - and a cut off device , the trip device is a piece of nitro film held above the film gate, should this overheat and catch fire it then release tension and cuts the film and seals the spool box , usually both feed and take up spool box's at same time .
The film (35 mm) is fed through the projector at 24 framed per second - that is 18 inch's per second .
The heat that causes the film to ignite comes from the carbon arc lamp fed through a condenser lens through the flicker shutter to the film passing through the film gate .

even with the advent of safety film the cut off device still had nitro stock as a barrier

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Old 12-01-2020, 04:07 PM
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Thank you for all the info Miss Tina, Timbo said he could still run the film, and get it to disk, I don't know anything about how he would do that myself, not like you and Timbo.
Maybe we will see it here at the site

He had done this with many others, some photos here are from old film, also more old film has been found in the roof, think Timbo said that was a lot of 8mm film I think, could that be right?, some film kit too, but not sure what, as Timbo has not had time to look at it all yet.
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yes 8mm was used a lot for home movies, we have some from the 50's. in the 70's i transfered them to VHS tapes using a special mirror box and a video camera. in the mid 2000's we had a company transfer the tape to DVD and gave copies to all the family.

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yes 8mm was used a lot for home movies, we have some from the 50's. in the 70's i transfered them to VHS tapes using a special mirror box and a video camera. in the mid 2000's we had a company transfer the tape to DVD and gave copies to all the family.

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Yes think that is what Timbo can do put it to DVD, he did some a time ago, it will be good to see what is on the 8mm films, Bob thanks it's his Dads blue movies, he could be right as Bob said he did have one or two at one time in black and white.

If they are we will not be showing them here.
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more history from Tina ...

in the early days of home movie 16 mm was used (cinema was 35 mm) then some time later both .... Kodak took 16 mm and cut it in half to 8 mm .. and French company Pathe had the future on 9 point 5 mm, this give the same aperture as 16 mm (nice and big on the screen) but it suffered from having the sprocket holes down the centre of the film between the frames, and suffered badly from the projectors and bad handling, and was slowly phased out.
Kodak's 8 mm ruled the world for a time - then advancement was to upgrade 8 mm to Super 8, same width but larger frames and smaller sprocket holes, Also needing new equipment to use it,
around the same time as Super 8 , Fuji Japan introduced Single 8 , same dimensions as Super 8 but in Fuji's own cartridge & camera's.
Also whilst all this is going on along came Polaroid with instant movies, you filmed on Polaroids camera and once home transferred the film cartridge to the Polaroid projector and developed the film and enjoyed the movie at the same time .
Worth mention that whilst the film was going through changes both magnetic and optical sound was been developed for home movies.
Also specially adapted projectors in synke with tape recorders for sound.
Some bought films came with a record that you played along side the projector.

Sadly along came Video, again in various formats to make life easier


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Thank you so much Miss Tina, what a mind of info you are, now I know so much more.

All this was well before my day, the good old days of running old films

Know to tease Mr Timbo I know all about it
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